After a two-year hiatus, Norm Macdonald’s podcast Norm Macdonald Live returned this month with new episodes, and the latest episode with Bill Hader is well worth the watch especially for fans of SNL. Hader and Macdonald trade tons of stories from their time on the show working with writers, cast members, and hosts like Tracy Morgan, Will Forte, Jim Downey, Justin Bieber, Alec Baldwin, John Mulaney, and Adam Sandler as well as one SNL memory they both have in common: getting so overwhelmed by stage fright that they had panic attacks on live TV. After chatting with Hader for over an hour, Macdonald concludes: “I still feel in my heart – and I can only go by my heart, you know what I mean? I’m not a person that goes by my brain, I just go with my heart – that Bill Hader is ultimately unknowable.â€